Sunday, 15 April 2007

Wives and Section 375 IPC

Just a funny post and some of you may need parental permission to read it ;-)

Last week..when a bunch of junior advocates and wannabe advocates were idling at the office , the conversation turned to sec375 IPC.

For the purpose of this post..I will give a brief intro to secs 323,324 ,325,326and sec 375 of The Indian Penal Code .

Sections 323 to 326 deals with causing bodily injuries and the degree varies according to the weapons used and the gravity of the injury.

In Sec.375 ...The main aspects that constitute rape
1. is 'against the will' of the woman
2. and 'without her consent'
3. or fraudulently obtaining consent misleading the woman to believe that she
is his wife
4. with or without her consent when she is under sixteens years of age
5. or with a girl less than the age of fifteen if she is his wife.

It clearly says that the husband is protected from sec375 if she is his lawfully wedded wife (consent is granted) .

Almost all the women felt that the section shd be amended to include wives too . That is, the husband needs the consent of the wife...and it shd not be assumed that the wife has given her consent. Its either the wife be protected by sec375 or the husbands should be excluded from secs 323 to 326 IPC.

And as expected , the argument would be what if the wife agrees and then out of some other spite files a case against her husband...what defense would the husband have..what proof would he produce ? (There were jokes like..he shd keep a stamp paper ready to get her express consent :p :)) ).

Well...lets see the legal implications if the section is amended...the husband is in no better legal position than a man having an affair with any other woman . In affairs, the man is definitely exposed to sec.375 , if the lady decides to give the guy a difficult time . If a man is charged with rape and he claims he had her consent , the onus of proof is on the accused. Ofcourse he can always prove that they were going out together and she was his girl friend etc . But , its a hassle , and a major one.

I remember watching a movie where a high-school girl files a case against her school-mate for rape .She has an affair with him but subsequently breaks up with this guy..after the break-up, one late evening in the school premises he rapes her in his car and his current girl friend sees that. It would be argued in the court that since she previously went out with him , it would not amount to rape. But finally the girl friend becomes a witness and gives evidence that she heard the girl scream , saw the girl protest inside the car and she knew even at that time ,that it was rape.Finally the boy would be convicted . That was one new angle to the whole picture. (I really did'nt pay much attention to the name of the movie..).

Back to our topic..if the section protects wives..many husbands would rather lead a life of celibacy than get into trouble . The argument from the wives is that since they are not protected u/s375 IPC, (as it is now) , the only option for them would be to resort to violence . The sections that protects all from bodily injury are secs 323 to 326 IPC .(Men have no protection under Domestic violence act ).

The demand is if wives are not included in sec375 then husbands shd not be included in sec 323 to 326 (Its only against their wives..its applicable when the offender is anyone other than his wife).

They either get the consent or get beaten up . They have no legal help if they are bashed up by their wives .Ah..what a solution !

But all this would only lead to marital discord. And the next step is usually the family court or some marriage counsellor..and what would the advice be...'Concentrate on some activity that engages you or learn something new'...yeah and in the situation....the wife would opt to go to 'karate' classes and the husband shd attend 'body-building' classes :)

And all would be hunky-dory between them.....the women protects herself and the man can have fun too..whether he has his wife's consent or not.

Now , do you get the point ....that its the height of absurdity to ask for wives to be protected under sec375 IPC ? The very idea behind the institution of marriage fails if this is done . I strongly feel things should be left as it is .

107 comments:

balar said...

Good post sree..neengae sonna ellam sariyathan irukkum..:)

Aboorva said...

Good description about Indian penal codes and what u said is right.

Pegasus said...

what happens if a guy is raped 'against the will'

Srikanth said...

@ pegasus,

good question but by whom ?

:)

Sree's Views said...

Hey Bala..koncham boring post illa..I know, the jargons could be a little boring :)
But nice of u to say that :)
hmmm...Toblerone gaali...how abt sending another one ;-)

Sree's Views said...

Hello Aboorva..thank you very much :)
I am happy that u agree with me :)

Pegasus said...

@srikanth
its a question from a simple guy who believes that more often then not a guy is not in the position to say no..

Bharani said...

Naan appave ketten...neenga advocate-a??

Bharani said...

//neengae sonna ellam sariyathan irukkum//...idhe dhaan naanum solren :)

Bharani said...

oru 10 :)

Sree's Views said...

Hey Pegasus
//what happens if a guy is raped 'against the will' //

...I wanted to ask u to be more specific :)

Looks like u are Srikanth are conversing :)

Sree's Views said...

Hello Srikanth...which map did u use to come here ?
So..long time..no see...!!
See yaa in ur blog :)
Adikadi vaanga :)

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus..
//... more often then not a guy is not in the position to say no..//

Wont that amount to consent ?

Sree's Views said...

ஹலொ ப்ரணி...
//Naan appave ketten...neenga advocate-a?? //

ஆமாம்...hoping to be one :)

//...idhe dhaan naanum solren :) //

எனாது இது...சும்மா copy paste பண்ணி ஒரு கமெண்ட்?

Sree's Views said...

ஒரு 10 :)
ஆஹா...முழுசா முள்ளங்கி பத்தயாட்டம் ஒரு 10 போட்டதுக்கு நன்றி :)

Pegasus said...

@sree...
on a serious tone....
As a dehati I can say:
the only way to protect against a bull is by castration it into an ox....
.. if the husband is abusing u.. then cut his dick off...

what I am surprised is that you are asking the wrong questions....
child marriage, sexual harassment, and pedophiles are a very serious problem faced by India.
read the link embedded in the post:
http://shocking.wordpress.com/2007/04/07/ban-on-sexual-education/

and this law is encouraging just that... it is ok to marry and have sex with a 15 year old kid.

The question about guy's consent was for a male teenager/minor.

Srikanth said...

@ sree,

muraivaasal senjathuku nandri..

athu vera onnum illai aani pudungara idathua maathiten, u know..

puthu aanigal, puthu vithamaa pudunganum..

apprasanti la irunthu ipothaan muneri iruken...time pathala akka.
enna seirarthu..inimel ozhungaa post poda muyarchi panren...

:)

Sree's Views said...

Hey pegasus..
//.. if the husband is abusing u.. then cut his dick off... //

Abusing is one thing..and having sex with one's legally wedded wife is another thing . No man can be expected to wait in anticipation as to getting the consent of his wife...absurdity !!! If the wife has no desire...then it reflects in all other aspects of the marriage too..and the course of action would be to address those problems..instead of filing a rape case against her husband...or worse still..resorting to what u have suggessted .

well even if we take ur argument...the wife loses her marriage either way ..so why not deal with it legally..a married women is protected by 498A . She gets remedy there. This would cover sexual abuse too.

//what I am surprised is that you are asking the wrong questions....
child marriage, sexual harassment, and pedophiles are a very serious problem faced by India.//

The kosten I have raised here has nothing to do with social awareness or problems faced by India...I agree that India has sooo many problems.I was just sharing my view as to the impracticalities of including wives u/s 375.

//child marriage, sexual harassment, and pedophiles are a very serious problem faced by India//

Pegasus...actually this was to be my post during the recent bandh in TN ..no...not the problems faced by India..but what we are doing about that...what did we do during the bandh?
absolutely nothing !!!
I felt ashamed that we had to bow to the lowly politicians' whims and fancies. I am very skeptical if writing posts after posts about these would even make an iota of difference.
Well...its a lingering doubt.
So..I am not addressing a social problem here.

lemme check this link.
//http://shocking.wordpress.com/2007/04/07/ban-on-sexual-education///

Yes..I have read it before.
It reflects my views..but I am the target reader, Pegasus ?
Check this
http://srisviews.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html
and this is the reality.

//and this law is encouraging just that... it is ok to marry and have sex with a 15 year old kid.//

No ,its not ok ! The law is being amended at a snail's pace...it was 12 yrs earlier.
But there is not much of a difference.

But what about a 23 yr old man who has an affair with a major girl and after a break up is accused of rape ? What protection does the man have ?
And what about adultery , pegasus..I absolutely agree with ur opinion about this law in ur post. why shd the women go scott-free ?

//The question about guy's consent was for a male teenager/minor. //
I thgt as much. I was going throo all the sections regarding this..and finally consulted the senior..a new act is being enacted to protect minors (child molestation) now. But as of now the sections covering bodily injury is the only resort.

Sree's Views said...

Hey Srikanth..
Oh ok..I hope everything is ok now and u r settled down...onnum illa..daily check pannuvom unga blog aa..neenga aala kanala :)

//muraivaasal senjathuku nandri..//
aahaaaa..enna azhaga solli irukeenga...naana irundhenna ..'barthikku vandhadhukku dhanksbaa' nnu solli iruppen :) lol

Podunga podunga...we are looking forward to those wonderful snaps..and ur even better captions :)
Btw..romba naalaa unga nila posta paathu nila melaye bore adichiduchi :p
Thanks ,Srikanth :)

Pegasus said...

wow... i am getting legal advice for free :)

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus..

a part of the link is missing in the previous comment
http://srisviews.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

//The question about guy's consent was for a male teenager/minor. //
Will get more info...

Sree's Views said...

oh free advice has no value with clients :(
:P

Just Words said...

Hey sree … nice post …… well I am sure ..some hard core feminist wont agree with u
but nice to see you have put this post with out any gender bias :-) and i have to add you have given a good legal and general insight into a issue with is not often talked about .

\\the wife would opt to go to 'karate' classes and the husband shd attend 'body-building' classes :) \\
I have taken the hint and will be joining a Gym Soon :-)

Sree's Views said...

Hey JW....
// you have put this post with out any gender bias :-)//
Thank you.!

//into a issue with is not often talked about //
Oh..its talked about often enough..and there is fear in me that it would be granted too..and although its good for business (:P) I do not welcome it .

//I have taken the hint and will be joining a Gym Soon :-) //

Its neither a hint nor a warning to any of u guys...its just a hypothetical situation..:)
So..be rest assured and quit the gym and join a tennis club asap :) lol

Just Words said...

\\its good for business (:P) I do not welcome it . \\
let me give u a better business :-) i have some doubts about shares and stuff .. will you be able to give some legal advice of that :-)

Pegasus said...

how do u manage to scare ur clients away?

Sree's Views said...

Hey JW...
//i have some doubts about shares and stuff .. will you be able to give some legal advice of that :-) //

Sorry JW...me only practice criminal law. So...if u are made to sing ,"ek ..dho..teen..." anytime contact me ;-)

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus..

//how do u manage to scare ur clients away? //
Its like this...the best way to get a loan from a bank is to appear asif u dont need one ...rt?
(the merc , exp. watches and works..) .

So, when I do not charge enough..they tend to get shooed away...
yeah!! High time I hiked up my fees :P

Now ,what did u think ?
That I force them to read ur blog , eh? ;-) ROTFL :P
Nope !

Btw..why no response to my comment (the long one ) ?

k4karthik said...

இப்போ வந்து பாருங்க நம்ம ப்ளாக...

Sree's Views said...

ஹலோ கார்திக்...
கண்டிப்பா !!! நான் பார்க்கும் போது கூட சூப்பராதன இருந்துது?

Pegasus said...

1) the legal age for marriage is 18 right????? then why is marrying 15 yr old ok?
2) //protection for men//
i think we had a lot of discussion on this topic while discussing adultery... ya men in india have no choice but to disappear...

3) I think domestic rape is covered under domestic violence...

4 //chasing the clients...//
its a chicken and egg situation... u cannot have a large no of clients unless u have a big office, a long waiting queue etc etc... but u cannot afford them unless u have a clients.

maybe allowing foreign competition might help.

Sree's Views said...

//the legal age for marriage is 18 right????? then why is marrying 15 yr old ok?//

That marriage is voidable but the husband cannot be penalised u/s 375 .

//maybe allowing foreign competition might help//

They would'nt stand a chance in criminal practice atleast in states like TN where witnesses speak the local lang., depositions are taken in the local lang. and even the judgements are given in the local lang. .

Pegasus said...

why would a foreign firm undertake litigation??? esp when it takes 1-2 decades before the final verdict can come.

the most lucrative part of the legal profession is framing IRON CLAD contracts and consultancy..
and there these foreign firms can hire bright students and use their brand-name to get the clients...
they might even reduce the inequality among the lawyers....

Sree's Views said...

Hey Pegasus..
I think u r mistaken...the real money lies in litigations and esp the ones that drag for decades..
Drafting contracts and some simple consulatancy are just routine work.

//there these foreign firms can hire bright students and use their brand-name to get the clients...//
On a personal level..I welcome it..I really wish we get some quality lawyers.
I have not analysed the overall impact of this..but I guess the clients would be benefited too. And if the bright students are our lawyers..then why complain.

//they might even reduce the inequality among the lawyers//
Its would be negligible.

Pegasus said...

##//they might even reduce the inequality among the lawyers//
Its would be negligible.##

I always thought there were only 2 kinds of lawyers... one who are filthy rich and others who live in filth...
but seems like there is a growing middle class in lawyers too.
enlighten me about the financial condition and the future prospects of a LLB graduate...

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus..
As far as I know..this is like any other service industry. Well..actually it can be compared to a doctor's profession . If the young doctor has atleast one doctor parent and even a small hospital ready..then his career is very smooth as compared to one who is starting out fresh. If a lawyer is attached to a flourishing office and is a preferred one..yeah..sorry to say that.... then he/she can have a smooth career , if a little bright.

But for a person who has no such cushioning ..he either has to come out of top law schools and do a specialisation in a British school and join a good office or get a job in an MNC as their legal advisor.
Well..the pay is like for any management graduate.

There is the other category ..every office needs a responsible and bright lawyer , and one who can just be present in the office and handle the clients learn a lot and the work comes his way automatically.

The mega bucks is only in private practice.
And there is always judicial posts.(naa...no money there :) )

// inequality among the lawyers//
did'nt realise u were talking abt financial disparity..I was thinking u were refering to caliber.

Well...yeah there are the super rich...starving kind and probably the middle class..(but I think its not the profession that put the last two categories there). If you dont grow..then u stay where u started out.

But is it not so in all service industries ?

Pegasus said...

//do a specialisation in a British school //
u mean learn english language or study barristership and english law????
no wonder, even after 60 years we utter phrases which has no relevance in Indian life.

i always thought the economic disparity between lawyers is very very high. but then i do not know many people in the profession.

Ravi said...

Sree, first, I could not comprehend the post fully and two, with whatever I could decipher from the post, it only reiterates that men are also subject to discrimination, its just that they don't open up as much as women do. And these rape/molestion/dowry demand accusations, I think these days many women use it to their convenience. Infact, I have seen this from close quarters. A son of someone whom I knew had problems with this wife. He decided to opt for divorce and the girl's dad, to avoid this, made a dowry harrasement complaint against their family. I could give many such instances about the discrimination against men :)

Sree's Views said...

//u mean learn english language //
Give me a break, Pegasus :))

Well , specialisation helps as the masters in India is not too great..
Corporate and commercial laws either in US or UK gives a good understanding of the subject. Criminology is better in the UK as our law is based on the British law. But in both the cases ,the gain is marginal... only thing is that a foreign degree fetches a good job.

//even after 60 years we utter phrases which has no relevance in Indian life.//
I wonder why ppl go to the US in hordes to do MS or MBA ?

//i always thought the economic disparity between lawyers is very very high//
Lets face it Pegasus...there are dime a dozen Law colleges in India and the fees structure is not too high (as compared to other professional courses). It goes without saying that it is accessible to all strata of the society. I guess this explains the economic disparity among lawyers.

And also the subjects are structured in such a way it is not too difficult to finish the course. One can takes his own sweet time to finish it .The result is abundance of lawyers ...and most of all, unlike engineers (though they are produced in bulk) , the subject is exclusive to India..so the market is limited.

//But is it not so in all service industries ? //
Why no reply?

Sree's Views said...

Hello Ravi..
how are u ? Are u back in town ?

Yes Ravi..I agree the post was not very clear..and well..I think I was lazy to draft it again..so sorry about that. (and I am not too proud to say that u r not the first person to say that :( )

//and two, with whatever I could decipher from the post, it only reiterates that men are also subject to discrimination,//
No , Ravi..atleast the sections that I have dealt in this post do not discriminate against men..on the contrary protect men (married men).

I hope u'd be happy to know the post is about ensuring the rights of husband towards his wife.

Your friend's son is not alone..and there is a new class of cases coming up (fondly called the software cases) ..where the husband is in the US and the wife comes back to India after a brief marital stint in the US and files dowry harrassment case against all her in-laws. It will take a long post to talk of sec498A.
(Oh ! I am yet to see a man who does not crib about this section...even this afternoon our office clerk was saying "amma thayingala..engalukkum oru 498B podungamma...adi odhai thaangalamma" )
A wife who has given up on her marriage , can bring her husband down on his knees..using this one section.

Can u believe a lawyer I know took an injuction against a wife who was bashing up her husband ? The judge was shocked..and later the husband had taken the order to the Police station where the police advised the wife and sent them back...now Ravi...stop laughing !!!

(naan enga clerk idha lots of actionsoda narrate pannumpodhu ore the ROTFL ing :P )

// I could give many such instances about the discrimination against men :) //

But Ravi..for every case I said above there are 30 wife-beating cases.
Dont go by anybody's professional behavior...the lamb u see in the office wld be a wolf in marital life.
But ofcourse there are some sections like adultery that is grossly discriminating.
Thanks Ravi !
Aamaan summer vacation post enga :P

Ravi said...

Hmmm.. thanks for the long explanation Sree. Well, you see... when a man suffers at the hands a woman, its funny. Nobody takes that seriously. But more than the physical toture, its the mental toture which is painful. Even when it comes to divorce, even if the wife is educated, has a job and is well off, the husband has to shell out solatium (unless she declares that she does not need one). And that is why I hate most "Magalir sangams". Whenever there is an issue between a man and a woman, they take up arms and start their protests against the man - not even investigating the root cause. Is this what is fighting for women?

Btw, I am still out of town. Vacation post dhaane? Adhaan oru maasathukulla post pannidaren-nu sonnene!! (Reminds me of assignment submission in college)

Sree's Views said...

Ravi..when it comes to divorce..all civil behavior is thrown to winds and the only thgt is that..'lets teach him/her a lesson'. That's a sad state.

yeah...mental torture is more painful than the physical one..but it happens to both the parties , Ravi..and when kids are involved..it is even more traumatic..(I have seen kids waiting in the office , for the father to take them for a few days with his visiting rights..its pathetic ).

Oh lets not talk of 'Magalir sangams'..its akin to Richard Gere kissing Shilpa poppadam :P
The less said the better !

//Reminds me of assignment submission in college) //
Ahaaa..am I such a nag ;-) ?
Just kidding :)

Syam said...

enakku post paartha udaney kanna kattudhu...ithana section number solli irukeenga onnu police illana attorney ah irukkanum...unga palaya post la irundhu police illanu theriyum so neenga attorney thaana :-)

Syam said...

ennoda thangamaniyum attorney thaan india la irukkum pothu ippo sunday vakkil :-)

Syam said...

sari roundh ah oru 45 :-)

Sree's Views said...

Hello Naataamai...neenga illaama en postey dullaa irundhuchi :)
Vaanga vaanga :)
//enakku post paartha udaney kanna kattudhu//
Kandukaadheenga Naataamai.. :P
Appo appo alergy vandhu indha maari edhavadhu post pottuduven :P

Aamaam ! Naan attorney aaga innum oru varusham poganum.
Oh..unga thangamani madam vakkilaa? So nice. Ippo anga enna pannaraanga? Is she doing some related course there ?
Aamaam...avanga ippo sunday vakkilaa...illa judgeaa? Naatamaiye goondula ethara right irukaravanga :)

45 kku oru Nandri (modha dhaba namba blog la ivalo thuppals seindhu irukku :p...ellam unga nalla raasi dhaan :p )

Btw..enakku vaavaasangam la unga posts epdee paakaradhunnu puriyala :(

Pegasus said...

my goodness u have a knack for picking up fights.


//But is it not so in all service industries ? //
actually people in services industry are much better off.
1) in traditional industry like catering, shops, transport... they can create their own niche.
2) in modern IT/ITES a lot of freshers are employed at salaries which is much more then what their parents had drawn at time of retirement.
Infact IT/ITES/BPO are going to create a revolution... so big that this generation can be call off shoring generation.

//u mean learn english language //
Its hard for me to imagine why on earth a Lawyer practicing in india needs to understand law of a country he might never get a chance to visit/interact.

//I wonder why ppl go to the US in hordes to do MS or MBA ?//
simple, quest of knowledge.

//there are dime a dozen Law colleges //
you mean mass produced crap :))

// the fees structure is not too high (as compared to other professional courses). //
My mathematics says otherwise...
"What percentage of the value which the education adds to the student is paid as fees?"
if u use this formulae.. probably LLB might not be that cheep.

plus seriously education in India is practically free. It would take me less than 6 months of pay to pay for my tution fee, living/boarding and hostel fees of my IIT education. (and i was too stupid to get the scholarship which >25% of students get)

Fees has never stopped a brilliant student from graduating..

//And also the subjects are structured in such a way it is not too difficult to finish the course. One can takes his own sweet time to finish it .//

u know I used to make queries about course only 24 hours before the exam.. and same holds true for 90% of engineers... and rest of them are nerds.

Adiya said...

nalla description, neat post :)

but one thing shree this is one debacled event happened in my life.
The status-quo is
one of my close friend ( who passed away after her marriage )sister's marriage in broken state. They were in helpless stage at one point of time. just a girl and her mom thats.

i was involved in moving around to police station , etc etc.
later what i understand w.r.t to my lame 2 months interactive knowledge is in this context - girl is kind supportless if she willign to move out of marriage contract for any x,y,z reason.
reason could be subjected to 32x IPC.

by all means ur conclusion is perfectly all right if things are fine, good, less perfect where there is no need for law, ipc.. mutual understanding good will takes it to next state.

but definitely law needs to resuce thigns in adverse stituation and not be applied for wrong cause.

:) etho sollanum thonichu.. may be i am wrong and my knowledge to this context is very limited.

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus...
//my goodness u have a knack for picking up fights.//

Whaaaaatttt ? me ?

balar said...

Ok...naan vandhu half century pottachu..:))

balar said...

@sree,

Where is treat???? :))

Jeevan said...

I agree with your point sree. This post is like an aware of the another side of this sec375 IPC.

"the wife would opt to go to 'karate' classes and the husband shd attend 'body-building' classes" ethavathu wrestling kalanthukka sollalam hehe...

Sree's Views said...

Hey bala...
// Ok...naan vandhu half century pottachu..:)) //
Romba nadri :)
Appuram unga bloga ippo dhaan check pannittu vandhen :)
Jeevs blogayum update panniten :)

Thanks for the Ambadhu :P

Sree's Views said...

Hey Jeevs..
nooru aayusu..ippodhaan unga blogukku poittu vandhennu Bala kitta comment potitu irundhen :)
yaa neenga sollaradhu romba sari Jeevs.

//the wife would opt to go to 'karate' classes and the husband shd attend 'body-building' classes" ethavathu wrestling kalanthukka sollalam hehe...//
ya ya ..if sec 375 is changed it would be a wrestling match everyday :)
Thanks Jeeva...unga next postla innum commentala..vandhu commentaren :)

Sree's Views said...

Hey Bala...treat.... next post ;-)
:))
sari sari..enna venum sollunga :)
Kitchens of India 'Badam alwa' ok? ;-)

balar said...

/*ya ya ..if sec 375 is changed it would be a wrestling match everyday :)*/
Adukku bayandhu than spain or mexico or brazil or venez poi settle agiralamnu yosikkittu irukken...:))

Sree's Views said...

Hey Pegasus..
thanks for giving an insight into other professions :)
very informative comment :)

Sree's Views said...

Hey Bala..
Sari sari..edhavadhu 'oru' edamaa poyee settle aagunga ;-)
hey venice pongapaa...enakku piducha ooru..leave kku unga veetuku varen :) edho unga kaiyaala tortillaso fajitas so saapidalam :P (koncham jalapenos thookala pottu samainga :) )
lol

Sree's Views said...

Hey adiyaa...
unga commentukku naalaikku reply podarenga.
Sariya padichittu podanum..adhaan..ippo kanna kattudhu :P
see yaa , Adiya :)

Voracious Blog Reader said...

Hi pangaali,

Soka sonna ba. You are right.

Voracious Blog Reader

balar said...

/* (koncham jalapenos thookala pottu samainga :) )*/

Ange poiyum naan than samaikkanumae..:(

Syam said...

//Ippo anga enna pannaraanga//

evalo vaaidha vaangi iruken...enna kondu vandhu inga vittu maidha pesaya vituteengaley nu pulambitu irukkaa :-)

Syam said...

va vaa sangam la ennoda post ku link kuduthu irukaney ennoda blog la...:-)

Sree's Views said...

Hello Adiyaa..
//girl is kind supportless if she willign to move out of marriage contract for any x,y,z reason.//


//mutual understanding good will takes //
Adhuvey irundha en indha nilamai?

//:) etho sollanum thonichu..//
ur opinion is always welcome.
Thanks for sharing ur views :)

Sree's Views said...

Hey Pangaali....vaanga vaanga..
ennapaa...evalo naala busyaa aani pudunguveenga ?
Naanga ellam enna aaradhu?

//Soka sonna ba. You are right.//
Ahaa...neenga sonna adhula oru thani sandhosham :)

Dho paar...jaldhiya joli ellam mudchittu jodhila vandhu kalandhukara vazhiya paarunga :P

Btw..hey V...namba SS nambala romba miss pannararaam..ore vikki vikki azhai.. :(
Poyee gummalaam vaanga :) lol

Sree's Views said...

Hey Bala..
//Ange poiyum naan than samaikkanumae..:( //

Adhellam enakku theriyaadhu..naan guest..unga postla unga amma enna sonnaangannu soneenga ? Unga amma evalo azhaga guests a gavanichupaanga...yosinga :)

Sree's Views said...

Hey Nataama..
//enna kondu vandhu inga vittu maidha pesaya vituteengaley nu pulambitu irukkaa//

Nyayam dhaney !! Anga kooda niraiya courses irukaamey..ofcourse adha pathi enakku niraiya theriyaadhu. :)

helloooo Nataamaaa...enadhu...andha otha postukka route kaamikareenga...naan ennamo anga oru blogey maintain pannareengannu ninaichen :P (just kidding) lol

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus...
//actually people in services industry are much better off.//
So u mean to say every person who starts catering , shops etc..create their niche and glow ?
There is no guarentee for everybody's success. And its common to see many ppl wind up their business and leave.

Lets leave IT and BPOs out of this.
Its a global demand and they are at the right place at the right time.

//so big that this generation can be call off shoring generation.//
eh I have read 'the world is flat' too.

//understand law of a country he might never get a chance to visit/interact//
Its the subject that is dealt with. Concepts are given preference in these courses.

//in hordes to do MS or MBA ?//
simple, quest of knowledge.//
plus u get a good job , rt?
I think same applies to lawyers too.

//you mean mass produced crap :))//
Oh , lets not be so hasty, Pegasus :))
U never know how street smart some of us can be...not sure if I can say the same for the gems churned out by exclusive schools :))

//It would take me less than 6 months of pay to pay for my tution fee, //
and its less than a months pay for law school fees.

//u know I used to make queries about course only 24 hours before the exam.. //
... really ? Please tell me the secret behind that..my exams are nearing :P

Pegasus..thanks for showing interest in the post :)

Pegasus said...

from section 375 (which i know nothing about) we moved to pedophiles to careers and now to Indian education system....

man its hard to argue against a seasoned lawyer... but let me give it a shot.

//So u mean to say every person who starts catering , shops etc..create their niche and glow ?//

if you are at the right place at the right time, the sky is the limit...

//There is no guarentee for everybody's success. //
its like the stock market.. if i buy 5 shares... 1 will go underwater.. but usually rest 4 will make my investment worthwhile...

// And its common to see many ppl wind up their business and leave.//
failure is a lesson...

//Lets leave IT and BPOs out of this. //
why???

//eh I have read 'the world is flat' too.//
thanks for giving me a strong reference to back my point.

//Its the subject that is dealt with. Concepts are given preference in these courses.//
theory, impractical formuleas, crap and blah blah ....
same with engineering... they teach us Foundry... clearly knowing no one uses foundry anymore.

//you mean mass produced crap :))//
Oh , lets not be so hasty//
Entire education industry is a "mass produced crap suffering from the curse of Eklavya's syndrome"

// U never know how street smart some of us can be...//
ya but what value did the college add add?

good education is not picking up the brightest handful of the students wasting their 4 years and then boasting about their success...
its should be like a book... anybody who has time to go through it is eligible.

//not sure if I can say the same for the gems churned out by exclusive schools //
pompous SOB.... who think that the world owes them a living. they are ubiquitous... esp in IIT/IIM.

//Please tell me the secret behind that..my exams are nearing//
it should not be tough...u have beauty and brains... while i had a handicap of 50%

Sree's Views said...

Hey Pegasus....
//from section 375 (which i know nothing about) //
I wish u never come to know about it :)

#//Lets leave IT and BPOs out of this. //
why???#

the answer is
//if you are at the right place at the right time, the sky is the limit...//

//its like the stock market.. if i buy 5 shares... 1 will go underwater.. but usually rest 4 will make my investment worthwhile//
absolutely no idea ..but I guess it works out to a mere 18% overall .

//thanks for giving me a strong reference to back my point.//
anytime :)

//crap and blah blah //
agreed !

#// U never know how street smart some of us can be...//
ya but what value did the college add add?#
As for law college its zilch. But our undergraduate college is where we became street-smart :P

//good education is not picking up the brightest handful of the students wasting their 4 years and then boasting about their success...//
Pegasus...u shd do a post on it !
My fav opinion.

//pompous SOB.... who think that the world owes them a living. they are ubiquitous... esp in IIT/IIM.//
Heyyyy Pegasus...this is hilarious.
Well....I beg to differ :P lol

//u have beauty and brains... while i had a handicap of 50% //

Thanks for ur kind words :)
U mean to say u were not a beauty? I quite agree....
Its called handsome in men :)

Thanks , Pegasus !

Pegasus said...

//absolutely no idea (stock market).. //
good to know u r not a gambler.

//but I guess it works out to a mere 18% overall .//
where did u get this number???
i have lost >1L in a single day... and sometimes made a fortune overnight also... its just depends on ur pick...

//Pegasus...u shd do a post on it !
My fav opinion.//
I would have written atleast 10 articles on this topic... infact its so much that now i feel i am rambling.
http://shocking.wordpress.com/
2007/02/07/higher-education/

//Heyyyy Pegasus...this is hilarious.//
that was the intention.

Sree's Views said...

Pegasus..
//so much that now i feel i am rambling.//
like u said ..that was not the intention :P
Will go throo the post :)

#//but I guess it works out to a mere 18% overall .//
where did u get this number??? #
My poor friend has been trying to get me interested in this..and when we work out the gain (on her investment)..its usually around 18%

#//Heyyyy Pegasus...this is hilarious.//
that was the intention. #
Tght as much :)

Pegasus said...

//when we work out the gain (on her investment)..its usually around 18% //
if u can guarantee that.. I will appoint her as my fund manager.

//My poor friend has been trying to get me interested in this//
good for u... this is the fastest way to lose ur shirt/blouse.

Sree's Views said...

Hey Pegasus....
//if u can guarantee that.. I will appoint her as my fund manager.//
yeah..she guarentees me a 18%
..u want to give it a try ?
But , Sir...u have no say in the decisions made!

//good for u... this is the fastest way to lose ur shirt/blouse. //
I wont say that I was'nt tempted..but I knew my limitations..so is out of it .
Pegasus..have u tried real-estate?

Pegasus said...

//yeah..she guarentees me a 18%//
tell her 1L is coming on her way... she will get 1/3 of amount she makes over and above the sensex.

//Pegasus..have u tried real-estate?//
I am a poor man... i need 10L to get a decent plot.... what about u? do u have a good site in mind?

Sree's Views said...

//tell her 1L is coming on her way... she will get 1/3 of amount she makes over and above the sensex.//
...sure..but she might demand more.

// i need 10L to get a decent plot.... what about u? do u have a good site in mind? //
Actually ya..somewhere outside Chennai..
I think u too shd forget the share thing and look for a decent plot . You dont need to pay the entire amount to rotate ur money in real estate , pegasus.

Pegasus said...

//...sure..but she might demand more.//
Its probably one of the most generous offer anyone will make to her... but ya do ask her.

//Actually ya..somewhere outside Chennai..//
wow... a plot takes a lot of commitment... best of luck for it. :)

//I think u too shd forget the share thing and look for a decent plot. //
next year, after RBI screws the country bad enough... i think the prices should fall by 1/3... I will make my first move.
actually i badly need a house... i do not have a permanent addr.

//You dont need to pay the entire amount to rotate ur money in real estate //
that is only during the duration when the property is under construction....
roll money??? transaction costs are high and there is no liquidity... it will take 5-10 years to roll the money....
i am really curious what kind of arrangement u have?

Sree's Views said...

//Its probably one of the most generous offer anyone will make to her... but ya do ask her//
sure will :) but she is also a busy architect :)

//wow... a plot takes a lot of commitment... best of luck for it. :)//
Thanks :)
// think the prices should fall by 1/3... //
Dont ask me why..but I think it wont happen so soon..atleast not in the next year .

//actually i badly need a house... i do not have a permanent addr.//
I would'nt call buying an apartment investing in real-estate..well it appreciates but not like vacant land. But if u need an apt to live then , u shd buy one.
But never think of it as an investment IMHO.

//that is only during the duration when the property is under construction.... //
we are talking about two diff things..u abt apts..and me abt vacant land.
have u checked Sarjapur road ?
Have u followed the appreciation rate in the last 2 years?

Pegasus said...

//sure will :) but she is also a busy architect //
why does this not surprise me?

//Dont ask me why..but I think it wont happen so soon..atleast not in the next year .//
1) there is a lot of stickiness... people are ready to wait years rather than book losses and free their money.
2) transaction costs are high... so there is not much benefit in booking losses.
3) inflation is high... so even though the real value of the plot decreased... by waiting for a few years they can save their face if they wait for the rupee to devalue.

//But never think of it as an investment IMHO.//
u know finance much better than i thought u would... i totally agree with u.

//But if u need an apt to live then , u shd buy one.//
don't know where I am going to live.. so a trailer would serve my purpose better than a house.

//we are talking about two diff things..u abt apts..and me abt vacant land.//
again... u need to explain me how by making a part payment u r able to roll ur money....

//have u checked Sarjapur road ?//
i go there everyday for the past 3 years.

Sree's Views said...

//why does this not surprise me?//
Probably bcos u read my latest post :P lol

//1) there is a lot of stickiness... people are ready to wait years rather than book losses and free their money.//
Well.. what u r saying is rt..I have never seen anyone wanting to sell at a price less than what they bought it for...they add a decent interest to the amount and just keep waiting.But again..I have not seen anyone losing out either.

//by waiting for a few years they can save their face if they wait for the rupee to devalue.//
hmm..I think u r being hasty. People want to invest in real-estate as they feel they have acquired a solid property..so when there is spare money..its plots they think of.
Even....if rupees fall , there is usually a spurt in land costs that would cover all losses if you hold out for long enough.
As for money being tied up , if u have a better option which would fetch a better return on the sale proceeds of the land (taking the waiting period into consideration) , you shd ignore losses and sell out .

//2) transaction costs are high... so there is not much benefit in booking losses.//
did'nt get it .

//u know finance much better than i thought u would... i totally agree with u.//
Thanks..I'll let my brother
know ;-)

//so a trailer would serve my purpose better than a house.//
:)) 'never look for logic in buying a trailer '

//again... u need to explain me how by making a part payment u r able to roll ur money....//
I will.




#//have u checked Sarjapur road ?//
i go there everyday for the past 3 years. #

and what were u doing all those years ?

Pegasus said...

##//2) transaction costs are high... so there is not much benefit in booking losses.//
did'nt get it .##

if I buy a 10L property today, and sell it tomorrow (at same price)
after u pay the brokerage, registration, cost of visits etc you will be left wit 8.1L... transaction costs are 10 times that of other assets. so the only way to make a killing is to hold long enough that acquisition cost becomes negligible.

//As for money being tied up , if u have a better option which would fetch a better return on the sale proceeds of the land (taking the waiting period into consideration) , you shd ignore losses and sell out .//

again that is how it should be... but it is not so easy to sell.

//:)) 'never look for logic in buying a trailer '//
I never had one (both logic and trailer)

//and what were u doing all those years ?//
saving penny by penny to create a war chest. and understanding the markets. it takes a lot of courage to risk ur hard earned money.

Sree's Views said...

//..after u pay the brokerage, registration, cost of visits etc you will be left wit 8.1L... transaction costs are 10 times that of other assets//
yeah...u r right...but if u r in the market regularly..you get the knack of reducing it. But what u say is true..its kind of long term investment.

//but it is not so easy to sell.//
hmm u have to sell at a loss.

//I never had one (both logic and trailer)//
oh , now who wants the first :P :))

//and understanding the markets.//
and that is ?
Well..Sarjapur road has been our case study while considering similar prospects.

Pegasus said...

#//and understanding the markets.//
and that is ? #

how many ounces of salt needs to be added to one great tip/advice....
i am risk averse gambler... can't help...

nehow I plan to get something next year.

//Well..Sarjapur road has been our case study while considering similar prospects.//
u seem to know Bangalore quite well.

Sree's Views said...

//u seem to know Bangalore quite well. //
Yeah..my brother was living there for some time :)

Pegasus said...

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9111447
an interesting article on how female ducks prevent their rape

Sree's Views said...

Oh I went throo the article , P and I wld'nt say she comes out unscathed ....
its just that she avoid inseminations...and that's not much...she is violated anyways.

Pegasus said...

i found that article really interesting :)
but i found the striations and false holes really unique.

Sree's Views said...

I was wondering what selection criteria they
would have..I mean one drake is good as another :)
I found the threads interesting .

Pegasus said...

wow those are golden words coming from a lady....
//I mean one drake is good as another//
are humans any different from drakes?

Sree's Views said...

do ducks live with the same drake all its life?

Pegasus said...

isn't life all about sharing?

Sree's Views said...

true P..
but when u asked me if there is any field where monopoly is a sucess in ur weather post..
I wanted to say
'yes ,in marriage' :)

So what all do u approve of sharing , P ?

Pegasus said...

//So what all do u approve of sharing , P ?//
anything and everything except girls

Sree's Views said...

see, there u are :)
so, u know the difference between
'ducks and drakes ' and 'girls and men' :)

Pegasus said...

hmm

Sree's Views said...

hey P ..
are drakes as possessive as men?

Pegasus said...

i hate no idea... but i guess they have a lot more freedom then what we have

Sree's Views said...

typical male response :)
and I suppose u guys envy that :P

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